Veritone Inc (VERI) ニュース

Esousa is under water now. Still
don't get what they saw in this investment, particularly with the pre-paid warrants. Would think that they would almost have to have a clear incentive to make this investment. And Veritone has not announced anything meaningful since the Esousa transaction, and in just a couple days, Veritone is allowed to start tapping the ATM again.

I want to see a transaction. Time to put Veritone into a better situation. Time for RS to go, and get these assets in the hands of those that can scale. jmo.

After reading last earnings call I'm a little worried about public sector growth. It seems like they baked in aggressive public sector growth for this quarter. None of the teased contracts have materialized. They need to address this. But I think the bar is so low that any sort of beat will send the stick higher. Also with the recent coverages above the current SP makes me feel better. At a minimum I think Veritone can get acquired for at least $6-$7 if nothing else.

What are your thoughts going into earnings?

Bought more YOLO.

Thinking the priority is more about the balance sheet and trying to get Veritone assets in a more competitive position going forward, rather
than trying to support the share price with announcements.

I expect to see a transaction announced on or before earnings.


Hoping that Esousa has just been acting as an intermediary or bridge to facilitate a larger more meaningful transaction.


Hoping that come March 13, we can all move on from the Steelberg era, and the Veritone assets are in better hands. Wishful thinking I know, but clearly the market assigns no credibility to this company or its leadership. The Board should be smart enough to know this. jmo

It seems like one of these sentences would cover the Tradewinds announcement on becoming awardable.

In Q3, we initiated a second phase of a project with a major DoD agency for our iDEMS solutions. We also delivered an iDEMS solution and began assisting in its implementation with yet another DoD organization.

So Zemetra's comment here makes me feel like an additional announcement needs to happen.

n the Public Sector alone, we remain in near-term contract phases on several large projects with various facets of the US federal government and international public safety customers. With the sales pipeline of over $100 million, these near-term growth opportunities coupled with a much improved cost structure heading into fiscal 2025 provide us a pathway to profitability as early as fiscal 2026.


This comment is concerning because it feels like they aren't executing on this
Key assumptions in our fiscal 2025 guidance include Public Sector. We are expecting the Public Sector to grow 100% to 150% year-over-year led by near-term deals across the Department of Defense, public safety, including international expansion into Europe, and through more recently announced and expanded partnerships with AWS, Getac, and others. We are currently in trials and our early phase deployments on all these projects, which when aggregated, are projected to generate substantial revenue over today's baseline.

Crickets on this announcement
We are also in the beginning phases of announcing exciting new partnerships with some of the largest AI LOMs and cloud providers to expand our offerings in degenerative AI. These existing and new market opportunities will drive year-over-year growth across our Commercial Sector.

Moving EC transcript up

Moving EC transcript up so can reference it easier.

Veritone, Inc. (VERI) Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript
Nov. 12, 2024
Veritone, Inc. (NASDAQ:VERI) Q3 2024 Earnings Conference Call November 12, 2024 8:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Cate Goldsmith - Investor Relations
Ryan Steelberg - Chief Executive Officer & President
Mike Zemetra - Chief Financial Officer

Conference Call Participants

Seth Gilbert - UBS

Operator

Good day, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to the Veritone Inc. Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that today's event is being recorded.


Ryan Steelberg

Thank you, Cate and thank you everyone for joining us. We are excited to speak with you today and provide an update on our third quarter 2024 operations, financial performance and strategic progress. Mike Zemetra will cover our quarterly performance and financials in more detail later, but I wanted to start by providing a broader company update and perspective on our current market environment and the opportunity that lies ahead.

Before we dive into the results, I want to address the transformative announcement we made a few weeks ago that marked a pivotal moment in Veritone's journey. We have successfully executed an agreement and have closed on the divestiture of Veritone One, our legacy Media Agency business in a transaction valued at up to $104 million.

Let me put this transaction into perspective and clearly articulate what it means for Veritone's future, as it represents the culmination of the strategic plan laid out in early 2023 to transform and focus this business. This divestiture represents far more than the sale of a noncore asset. It's a fundamental repositioning of our company in the rapidly evolving AI landscape and a significant catalyst to unlock shareholder value and reinforce our market leadership position.

When we initiated the strategic review of Veritone, when I first took on the role of CEO, our goal was to identify the optimal path to unlock shareholder value and position Veritone for sustainable long-term growth in the AI sector. The sale of Veritone One accomplishes several critical objectives. First, it streamlines our operational focus, eliminating the complexity of managing two distinct business models, a technology software business and our legacy Media Agency. This refinement of purpose allows us to concentrate our resources, both financial and human capital on what we believe is the greatest opportunity, delivering the most advanced AI solutions to our customers and partners at scale through our enterprise AI software, applications and aiWARE platform.

Second, this transaction significantly strengthens our financial foundation, substantially bolsters our balance sheet and enables us to reduce our debt servicing cash burden. Furthermore, this strategic sale, focuses our operations on higher growth verticals with strong margin profiles, namely Public Sector and Commercial Enterprise AI.

As a result, we are now well-positioned as a pure-play AI enterprise software firm, building on top of our existing scale, which boast over 3,000 customers after the divestiture. Furthermore, post divestiture, Veritone has eliminated our customer concentration risk with no single customer accounting for more than 5% of our revenues, while still maintaining gross revenue retention well-above the 90th percentile.

I'm very proud of our staff and leadership team who have guided us through this lengthy and challenging transformation all in the public market form. And our timing to complete this transformation could not be more perfect. We're at a pivotal moment in technology history. Just as the cloud revolution transforms software delivery into Software-as-a-Service or SaaS, we're now witnessing an even more profound shift with AI. This new paradigm is what we call service-as-software, the automation and amplification of knowledge work itself. This isn't just an incremental change. We're looking at a market opportunity worth trillions according to Forbes and several other sources.

Let me put this in perspective. The foundation layer of AI, the chips, infrastructure and general large language models is consolidating around major players like Microsoft OpenAI and Google DeepMind. This mirrors what we saw with cognitive AI. Large language models are readily available today and becoming increasingly commoditized, affordable and more affordable.

The real opportunity where Veritone is well-positioned lies in the application layer. Just a few years ago skeptics dismissed application layer companies as just wrappers on GPT. Today it's this technology, our technology that has emerged as one of the most compelling ways to build lasting value in the AI economy.

According to Sequoia Capital, the most important segment for future AI investment is the application layer. This has been and will continue to be our focus. For you our investors, you need to know that Veritone goes far beyond simple API integration to call AI models. aiWARE, our core platform is truly an operating system for AI, supporting dynamic and scalable cognitive architectures and workflows. This proven platform, which is today serving hundreds of enterprise customers around the world combines dynamic data integration, hundreds of cognitive and generative AI models, intelligent model routing, vector databases, compliance frameworks and application workflow logic that can mirror human reasoning.

We have expressed this powerful technology through dozens of award-winning applications that are solving real business and service problems with clear and definable ROI. For several years now, our leading aiWARE platform and applications have been delivering critical value for public and commercial sectors, including media and entertainment, sports, state and local law enforcement, Fed SIV and now Fed DoD.

With our strengthened balance sheet and renewed focus on our aiWARE software and applications, we're uniquely positioned to capitalize on this opportunity. Our strategy is in full focus. Our track record of execution is strong and our serviceable addressable market is in the tens of billions. We are not just participating in AI revolution, we're leading it.

When appointed as CEO, I stated my strategic imperatives; streamline operations, bolster our financials and zero-in on what we do best, AI software and services. Now as we near the close of fiscal 2024, we've advanced each initiative meaningfully and we're in the prime position to capitalize on the booming demand for AI and leverage the strength of Veritone's aiWARE platform, applications and solutions.

Now let me walk you through our performance in our core market verticals, commercial and public sector. In the commercial sector, our AI applications and custom-built AI solutions continue to unlock tremendous value for commercial enterprises across functions and industries in this quarter.

Within media and entertainment in August, we officially announced our landmark partnership with the NCAA. Since then we've continued to build upon that success with additional partnerships and agreements with many notable brands. Today we're in the final stages with a material media customer to secure an expanded multiyear deal worth over $20 million in potential total contract value, which we expect to close this contract in the fourth quarter.

Additionally, I'm pleased to announce that Veritone has extended its agreement with iHeartMedia, the nation's leading audio company. This multiyear SaaS agreement enables iHeartMedia to seamlessly and automatically process transform and review audio data in near real-time with enhanced ad and content tracking, comprehensive analytics, faster content extension and smarter media management.

When we initially launched iHeartMedia as a customer in 2017, we deployed our AI solutions across 200 stations in 50 markets. As current multiyear agreement extends our solutions to over 850 stations across 150 markets, showcasing the increasing value our software provides to both iHeart and their customers.

In addition to the iHeart extension in media and entertainment we executed over 28 deals in the quarter. One other recently executed deal was the re-signing of ESPN, which will leverage our software to effectively track the impact on native advertising placements and promotions both spoken and visual across multiple ESPN owned channels.

Other notable deals in the quarter include agreements with Amblin Partners, Carson Entertainment Group, Univision, Westwood One and the United States Tennis Association showcasing our commitment to client satisfaction and the stickiness of our AI solutions.

Staying in commercial, let me provide an update on our AI hiring solutions. Veritone Hire successfully weathered market pressures on global label markets for another quarter remaining focused and consistent in its strategy to add SaaS clients at the higher end of the middle and enterprise market to offer significant budget efficiencies to programmatic and media services clients and to continue to expand the reach and cross-selling of programmatic advertising and media services globally.

Also I'd like to call out that our Hiring Solutions General Manager, Alex Fourlis was selected for TAtech's Fall 2024 Honor Class of Business and Thought Leaders. For awareness, TAtech is the leading association for talent acquisition leaders. Additionally, we signed significant AI programmatic contracts in the UK with a global staffing client and broke into Australia for the first time utilizing AI-based programmatic job placement.

A few notable global deals include Magna International, Shell Energy Australia, Marriott International, Teleperformance and Mitsubishi Chemical. Switching to our Public Sector vertical, which will be a key focus for us post-divestiture, we remain very bullish on our Public Sector opportunities and growth prospects.

Our market-leading AI products built on aiWARE are driving our success. Our clear go-to-market strategy extends across law enforcement, judicial agencies and government sectors globally enabling fast customer onboarding.

Launched this year, Veritone Intelligent Digital Evidence Management System or iDEMS powered by aiWARE has exceeded our expectations. iDEMS strengthens Veritone's position in the digital evidence management market as a leading system for aggregating analyzing and sharing investigation materials with advanced AI-powered video and audio analytics.

In local law enforcement, we now service hundreds of customers and are adding opportunities and partnerships weekly. On the federal side, we already are contracting with both Fed SIV and Fed DoD agencies and are very active with several material trials and software implementations.

Internationally, we have also added customers who are active with trials in our in procurement on several important and large opportunities. Our solutions are gaining traction globally with new customer acquisitions and a growing pipeline that is now exceeding $110 million. This quarter we added 13 new Public Sector customers to our portfolio.

New state and local agency customers include Englewood, Colorado; Sandoval County in New Mexico; two of the largest counties in Southern California and a statewide law enforcement agency. New federal business includes the Department of Justice the Office of Public Affairs.

During Q3 we expanded our distribution channels and market reach with new strategic technical partnerships including Nuix and Getac. We completed and announced our integrations with Axon's Evidence.com and Milestone's VMS connector where we have created automated workflows and efficiencies for our customers by automating the ingestion process from those applications into our iDEMS suite which allows our customers to take advantage of our Public Sector applications and our suite of AI capabilities that are part of aiWARE.

This is all part of our strategy to be an open technology solution that can aggregate data from all the disparate evidence solutions particularly audio, video and unstructured data and allow investigators to take advantage of our AI applications and aiWARE technology.

As I close, I want to share some additional third quarter operational highlights in the Public Sector to provide a comprehensive view of our progress to-date in this vertical. In Q3, we initiated a second phase of a project with a major DoD agency for our iDEMS solutions. We also delivered an iDEMS solution and began assisting in its implementation with yet another DoD organization.

During the quarter, we announced and released our latest version of Track with enhanced UI and search capabilities and the ability to track and re-ID vehicles as individual objects. We also enhanced our model for tracking and re-IDing humans based on no biometric information. Track 2.0 is now fully deployed on aiWARE and it is included as a fully operational application in our iDEMS suite.

Finally, the results of this month's presidential election we believe will be a net positive for our prospects in the US Fed and have little to no impact on our existing contracts. The size and quality of our pipeline continues to grow and improve as a result of the iDEMS product suite the expansion of our technical partnerships and the addition of new channel partners.

I would now like to turn it over to Mike Zemetra who will provide more details on our quarterly performance and future guidance. Mike?

Mike Zemetra

Thank you, Ryan. I am pleased to report our third quarter results, which were in line with our previously announced guidance and demonstrates continued execution of our strategic initiatives set out earlier this year. Post our October 2024 divestiture of our media agency, we are now shifting our projected cash flow profitability to fiscal 2026.

During my prepared remarks, I will discuss the key financial terms of the October 2024 divestiture of our media agency, our Q3 year-over-year performance in KPIs from continuing operations which exclude the results of our media agency, which are presented as discontinued operations as of September 30 2024 and in the corresponding historical financial periods balance sheet and liquidity positions pre- and post-divestiture and our updated guidance for fiscal year 2024 and 2025.

Starting with the key financial terms of our October 2024 divestiture of our media agency Veritone One. Total consideration from the sale was up to $104 million in cash, which consisted of $86 million in cash at closing and $18 million in cash subject to earn-out based upon Veritone One's revenue for calendar year 2025. The divestiture represented approximately 25% of our consolidated revenue during the trailing nine months ended September 30, 2024.

The total purchase price was 3.5 times multiple on revenue and an 8.9 times multiple on EBITDA for the trailing 12 months ended September 30, 2024. To be clear, Veritone One was predominantly a service business and a traditional media agency. These multiples represent a significant discount in the current market value of Veritone today, which is predominantly Software Products & Services.

Of the total $86 million in cash at closing the net cash proceeds were $59.1 million in cash after $6.7 million in cash was held in escrow and $20.3 million in purchase price adjustments. Net cash proceeds from the sale were used to pay down $30.5 million in principal amount of the company's December 2023 term loan plus an additional $3.3 million in accrued interest and prepayment premiums associated with the debt and $3.9 million of deal-related expenses.

After giving it back to the sale and term loan payment Veritone ended with approximately $27.3 million in cash an aggregate principal debt of approximately $134.4 million, down from $168.8 million in debt at December 31, 2023. Including amounts held in escrow and the earn-out, potential future proceeds include up to $24.7 million in cash, which will largely be payable towards the end of 2025 through April 2026 as certain escrows expire and the 2025 earn-out is known.

Given the media agency's growth throughout fiscal 2024 and its forecasted exit of customers and expected bookings for fiscal 2025, we feel highly confident on achieving at least a large portion of the $18 million earn out at this point in time. The divestiture of our media agency is an important and strategic shift in our operations namely it positions Veritone is a pure-play AI company allowing us to be more focused across our core AI products and services.

In addition, it improves our balance sheet by reducing our annualized debt carry costs on our December 2023 term debt to almost half of the way it was at December 31, 2023. This annualized cash savings represented almost all of the EBITDA contribution from the divestiture over the trailing 12 months ended September 30, 2024. As a result of this strategic shift, the financial results of the divestiture have been recast and are now reported as discontinued operations on the face of our financial statements. All commentary exclude the results from the divestiture for the 2023 and 2024 periods.

Next I would like to discuss our Q3 2024 performance. Q3 revenue was $22 million in line with our guidance and down $6 million from Q3 2023 principally due to a decline in Software Products & Services. The decline in Software Products & Services was driven in part by commercial enterprise, which declined $5.8 million year-over-year largely due to the expected decline in consumption-based customers over the same period, including Amazon and certain one-time software revenue in Q3 2023 of approximately $2.7 million, which did not recur in Q3 2024. Offsetting this was a slight increase in public sector.

As I will discuss later in more detail, we remain extremely bullish on our future and we expect fiscal 2025 to be a breakout year across our Commercial Enterprise and Public Sector, with the Public Sector expected to grow year-over-year anywhere from 100% to 150%, driven by our iDEMS applications. Overall Managed Services, which excludes the divestiture of our legacy Media Agency was relatively flat year-over-year.

As of Q3 2024, I'm happy to report, we did not have a single customer that represented 5% or more of our consolidated revenue in Q3 2024, demonstrating our successful efforts to diversify our revenue base.

Across our Software Products & Services, our key performance metrics for Q3 2024 show ARR of $63.3 million, down year-over-year as we begin to exit expected declines in consortia-based revenue from customers across our traditional enterprise sector including, Amazon over the trailing 12 months, offset by a slight increase in recurring subscription-based SaaS customers.

As of Q3, 2024, 76% of our ARR was from subscription versus consumption-based customers, up from 53% at Q3 2023. Total new bookings of $16.5 million, up 17% sequentially from Q2 2024 and 6% year-over-year. Gross revenue retention continued to be above the 90th percentile and total Software Products & Services customers of 3,291 down slightly quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year predominantly from our commercial sector which began sunsetting legacy CareerBuilder customers post the June 2023 acquisition of Broadbean and smaller customers, as we focus on larger ARR opportunities, offset by an increase across Public Sector largely from the growth in public safety customers.

Q3 loss from operations was $22.5 million as compared to $25.2 million, an improvement of $2.7 million or 11% from Q3, 2023. This was primarily driven by improvements made in our operating expense structure over the past 24 months, offset by a lower non-GAAP gross profit from the decline in revenue over the same period.

Excluding the divestiture Q3, 2024 non-GAAP gross profit reached $15.7 million, declining 24.9% from Q3, 2023 of $20.9 million. Our non-GAAP gross margin in Q3 2024 was 71.2% as compared to 74.9% in Q3, 2023. Driving this was the decline in the revenue mix over the corresponding period, which largely came from revenue that generated over 90% non-GAAP gross margin.

We expect our non-GAAP gross margin to range from 73% to 74%, depending on the mix of revenue in 2024. Overall, Q3 non-GAAP net loss was $7.1 million as compared to $7.9 million in Q3, 2023, an improvement of 10.1%.

Excluding the divestiture which generated Q3 non-GAAP net profit of $4 million versus $2.5 million in Q3, 2023. Q3 non-GAAP net loss from continuing operations was $11.1 million as compared to $10.4 million in Q3 2023. This performance reflects the expected decline in non-GAAP gross profit, offset by cost savings enacted in 2024.

On the strategic front, as we transition our focus away from the divestiture, we are poised to return to growth with a much more efficient operating structure and laser focus on our AI solutions. Since the beginning of 2023, we have executed over $40 million of annualized cost savings, which includes over $17 million of annualized cost reductions in fiscal 2024.

The 2024 restructuring included organizational realignments within sales, engineering and corporate, the results of which was a reduction of over 15% of our global workforce. This positions us very well from a cost perspective, heading into fiscal 2025.

On revenue growth and our outlook, our Software Products & Services revenue pipeline and long-term outlook remain at all-time highs. More specifically, we continue to see strong demand across the global, digital evidence management market, which represents an approximate $10 billion market opportunity today.

In the Public Sector alone, we remain in near-term contract phases on several large projects with various facets of the US federal government and international public safety customers. With the sales pipeline of over $100 million, these near-term growth opportunities coupled with a much improved cost structure heading into fiscal 2025 provide us a pathway to profitability as early as fiscal 2026.

Turning to our balance sheet. As of September 30, 2024 and including the divestiture we held cash and restricted cash of $46.9 million as compared to $72.9 million at December 31, 2023. The net change reflects net cash from outflows from operations of $24.2 million, principally driven by our non-GAAP net loss of $21.6 million. Net cash outflows from investing and financing activities of $9.2 million, driven largely by capital expenditures of $5.1 million and debt and deferred purchase consideration of $5.9 million, offset by cash proceeds of $1.8 million from the cash sale of our energy group in Q2 2024.

Turning to liquidity today. To date, we have executed on our strategic initiatives set out at the beginning of 2024 including material cost reductions, the divestiture of non-core assets, which included the cash sales of our energy group and Veritone One and setting us up for optimal growth heading into fiscal 2025. On top of this, we've reduced our debt carry substantially.

Post the 2024 divestiture of Veritone One, our consolidated debt is down from a peak of $201 million in December 2021 to approximately $134 million today comprised of term debt of $43.1 million, due by December 2027 and convertible debt of $91.3 million, due November 2026.

We reported cash on hand of approximately $27 million immediately following the divestiture with the potential opportunity to bring in an additional $24 million of cash through deferred purchase consideration from the divestiture over the next 12 to 24 months. That said, we are currently exploring additional strategic pathways to further improve our balance sheet and reduce our consolidated debt in the near-term, which we will discuss in more detail as these initiatives progress.

Now turning to updated fiscal 2024 and 2025 guidance. First, I would like to remind everyone that we have some very large Public Sector deals that we are expecting to close in the near-term. These deals range in the seven to mid-8-figure level and will close at any time over the next three to 12 months. As exact timing and rollout of these larger deals are still actively being negotiated today, we have provided a larger range on revenue in fiscal 2025 outlook.

Conversely, we have conservatively narrowed our revenue and non-GAAP net loss ranges for fiscal 2024 including Q4 2024 to discount the potential of any of these large deals closing by the end of fiscal 2024. As a result and excluding the divestiture of Veritone One and based on our year-to-date performance, we are updating our fiscal 2024 guidance and are reaffirming our fiscal 2025 business outlook. More specifically, we expect fiscal 2024 full year revenue is expected to be between $92.5 million and $93.5 million as compared to $100 million for the full year 2023.

Full year non-GAAP loss is projected to be between $37.5 million and $36.5 million as compared to $45.5 million full year 2023. Key assumptions in our guidance include the divestiture of Veritone One, we expect the divestiture to provide less than $0.5 million of non-GAAP gross profit in Q4 2024 guide, continued growth in Public Sector revenue.

In the event one of these large deals accelerates into Q4 2024, it will only represent upside to our current guidance. Consistent with prior periods, we do expect reduction in consumption-based revenue from customers such as Amazon, which is embedded in our guidance year-over-year. And the full realization of our cost reduction initiatives will not happen until Q1 2024, as we did enact certain cost reduction initiatives up through Q3 2024, which we will not see the full benefit of until Q1 2025.

Turning to fiscal 2025 outlook. We are holding our prior guidance for fiscal 2025, which we are expecting revenue to be between $107 million to $122 million, which at the midpoint represents a 22% increase year-over-year and non-GAAP net loss to be between $25 million to $15 million, representing a 46% improvement year-over-year at the midpoint.

Key assumptions in our fiscal 2025 guidance include Public Sector. We are expecting the Public Sector to grow 100% to 150% year-over-year led by near-term deals across the Department of Defense, public safety, including international expansion into Europe, and through more recently announced and expanded partnerships with AWS, Getac, and others. We are currently in trials and our early phase deployments on all these projects, which when aggregated, are projected to generate substantial revenue over today's baseline.

Commercial Enterprise. Since August 2024, we renewed our partnerships with some of our largest customers including multiyear deals and expanded services with the NCAA and iHeart.

Moreover, we recently renewed ESPN for a multiyear deal that included expanded Software Products & Services. Atop this one of our largest customers is set to renew in Q4 2024 with annual contract value in excess of $20 million.

We are also in the beginning phases of announcing exciting new partnerships with some of the largest AI LOMs and cloud providers to expand our offerings in degenerative AI. These existing and new market opportunities will drive year-over-year growth across our Commercial Sector.

Enterprise. During the second half of 2024, we began to focus efforts on more Enterprise opportunities. During Q4 2024, we have sold a multiyear deal with a Big Four firm to provide AI application services across the hiring platform. We are also in early trials with one of the largest homebuilders in the U.S. to provide deeper AI analytics and tools to accelerate some of their existing manual process and data collections today.

Lastly, we are in middle stages with the U.S. Senate to assist them in managing their existing data. While we are forecasting modest revenue in fiscal 2025 around Enterprise, we do believe this will be a larger area of growth beyond fiscal 2025.

Veritone Hire. Given the current macro, we continue to expect modest to small growth across our Veritone Hire applications and services in fiscal 2025. With the exit of consumption-based customer dependencies in fiscal 2024, we do expect a more stable year in fiscal 2025 with a return back to growth in late fiscal 2025 to fiscal 2026.

Non-GAAP gross margins. We are projecting our non-GAAP gross margins conservatively to be between 72% to 74% throughout fiscal 2025. To the extent that we approach the higher end of our fiscal 2025 revenue guide, we can see non-GAAP gross margins expanding closer to 75% to 77% on a blended basis. As we begin to scale and look towards 2026 and profitability, our non-GAAP gross margins should return back to 78% to 80%.

And finally our cost structure. With the backdrop of significant cost savings enacted over the last two years, we will exit 2024 with a much improved cost structure relative to the past three years.

Moreover, we will continue to manage our cost structure throughout fiscal 2025 to ensure we tie necessary investments in our cost structure with corresponding growth. Today, our largest cost remains headcount, and to a lesser degree, professional services that has recently been higher and driven by transactional volume and integrations.

As we exit 2024, we are not expected to focus on M&A and tactical transactions, which will allow us to get more efficient with our back end of support services and exit dependencies of higher professional fees over the past several years.

Before closing the call, I'd like to remind everyone listening that we will be presenting at the Needham's Sixth Annual Needham Virtual Infrastructure, Data Analytics Software and Cloud Communications Conference on November 20 at 1:30 p.m. Eastern Time. The webcast link is available on our Investor Relations website. On-demand replay will be available shortly after the presentation for 90 days. That concludes my prepared remarks. Operator, we would now like to open up the call for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And today's first question comes from Seth Gilbert with UBS. Please proceed.

Seth Gilbert

Hey, guys. Thanks for the question. Can you talk about the updated 2024 revenue guide? Is the $4 million to $5 million change 100% allocated to public deal push out? Or were there maybe updates on the hiring side of the business as well?

Mike Zemetra

Yeah. I can take that. Yeah, you're right. It's 100% allocated to timing on Public Sector. And as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, there's potential upside assuming some of these larger deals get pulled into the quarter.

Seth Gilbert

Got it. And then maybe as a follow-up, can you give us a bit more of a bridge on acceleration to 2025. I think on our numbers 2024 revenue growth is going to finish around maybe negative 7% on a pro forma basis. And you're guiding 2025 to above 30% at the high end an addition of almost $30 million. So is that all allocated to public deal sector as well? Or maybe there's other spots of improvement that you would call out that we should be cognizant of in our model? Thank you.

Mike Zemetra

Yeah. I think we mentioned the Public Sector growing between 100% to 150% year-over-year. So if you take the residual of that we are expecting growth across commercial sector. But that -- the large portion of growth on a dollar basis will come from the Public Sector.

Seth Gilbert

Got it. Thanks guys.

Operator

Let's see whether or not Veritone is completely bypassed in this effort. Would say that this would be a prime example of a Veritone Data Refinery and DMH use case.

Amazon is hammering out deals with news publishers ahead of its AI-enhanced Alexa upgrade
https://bestofai.com/article/amazon-is-hammering-out-deals-with-news-publishers-ahead-of-its-ai-enhanced-alexa-upgrade

Quietly leading the AI revolution. Haha

This delay in announcing an earnings date is crazy. They need to explain the delay and stop acting like business is normal. Something must be going on.

Yeah, and considering that it appears to be an easy process, it makes

me curious as to why they would not also have completed the process for Veritone Investigate and aiWARE to be listed and awardable, and include it all in the same press release.

RS stated

Yes, we expect to have Investigate and the full suite of iDEMS Applications, and aiWARE, listed and “awardable” under Tradewinds over the next several weeks. Remaining process has already started.


Todays press release refers to the applications (Redact, Illuminate, and Track) which can be accessed via Veritone Investigate.


So they have the 3 applications that can be accessed via Investigate, but still waiting to get Investigate listed. And It's Investigate, or (DEMS) Digital Evidence Management System, that includes all the integrations with companies like Axon, as mentioned in the Oct. 2024 PR https://www.veritone.com/press-releases/idems-data-integrations/

So just wondering what the "remaining process" is, as RS states. I still speculate that there could be a deal centered around aiWARE

Wow I didn't know it was that easy. I have seen other companies post when the get award status with Tradewinds. As before it all comes down to revenue and not sure what's up with earnings delay.

From what I am seeing about how to get your application

listed and awardable on Tradewinds Marketplace is not much of complicated process. Basically you have to submit a 5 minute video

To have your application listed and deemed "Awardable" on the Department of Defense's (DoD) Tradewinds Solutions Marketplace, follow these steps:

Prepare a Pitch Video: Create a concise, 5-minute video that clearly articulates:

Problem Statement: Define the specific problem your solution addresses.
Solution Overview: Describe your application and its unique features.
Technology Readiness Level (TRL): Indicate the maturity level of your technology.
Impact and Differentiation: Highlight the potential benefits to the government and what sets your solution apart from others.
Ensure Technical Compliance: Adhere to the prescribed video length and incorporate optimal audio-visual elements, including necessary accessibility features.
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Submit Your Video for Assessment: Upload your pitch video through the Tradewinds Solutions Marketplace submission portal. Your submission will undergo a competitive assessment process to evaluate its technical merit and alignment with DoD needs.
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Achieve "Awardable" Status: If your solution meets the assessment criteria, it will be designated as "Awardable" and added to the Marketplace. This status indicates that your solution has satisfied federal competition requirements, making it readily available for procurement by DoD organizations.
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By following these steps, your application can become part of the Tradewinds Solutions Marketplace, providing DoD entities with streamlined access to your innovative solutions.

All video solutions are evaluated within 30 calendar days of submission, unless submission volumes are unusually high.

Assessments are conducted monthly by a peer panel of subject matter experts from industry, academia, government, and non-profit research institutions.

If your solution meets the assessment criteria, it will be designated as "Awardable" and added to the Marketplace, making it readily available for procurement by DoD organizations.

So basically, it's a panel of of experts that evaluate a 5 minute video submitted by Veritone.

Guessing this PR

does not count as THE DOD contract, since it appears it only relates to listing as awardable under Tradewinds Marketplace.

With Veritone Track being listed, maybe that means it is out of the POC and trial stage and commercially ready. Look forward to seeing if any traction with this application. RS said on Linkedin that aiWARE and Veritone Investigate will also be added to Tradewinds and awardable in the next several weeks. Yeah, as you said, maybe more traction with the cloud companies. If putting aiWARE on Tradewinds, why not have it on AWS and AZURE marketplaces.

What is more interesting or maybe concerning to me is why have they still not announced an earnings date.

Does this announcement count as the DOD contract? I hope not. Also just looking at the numbers the DOD receives about half as many FOIA requests as the DOJ. I’m more interested to see if there is any real traction with Tracker. Also they do explain aiWAIRE a little bit in the PR which maybe shows traction with Amazon and Microsoft.

Does this announcement count as the DOD contract? I hope not. Also just looking at the numbers the DOD receives about half as many FOIA requests as the DOJ. I’m more interested to see if there is any real traction with Tracker. Also they do explain aiWAIRE a little bit in the PR which maybe shows traction with Amazon and Microsoft.

Plenty of other
more successful fish in the sea. Good luck. I will hold through earnings
and see what my options are afterwards, if any.

Still have not set an earnings date. Has never been this late. Have a feeling, good or bad, some type of transaction is imminent.

Gents completely out of Veri after 10 years. Have given up. Now that I'm out will probably go up. Good luck to all.

Looks like they have Data Refinery site up and running.

https://manage.pd.dmh.veritone.com/

Veritone represents and facilitates the largest collection of premium data to global buyers for AI model training and next generation AI applications.

I think it has doubled since you brought it up.

Hard for me to chase stocks like that. Should have done more DD back then.

If interested in GRRR. There is an interesting analysis by Nathan Graff on the company and stock price. Can find On Linkin under CEO account. 

And the best is yet to come

Good call on GRRR KVM.

That CEO knows how to execute and communicate to investors

Things that go under unnoticed

AWS the big bang theory love it

But VERI base case is still a strong growth potential excluding AWS

1 VA using FIOAXPress

https://www.opexustech.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/FOIAXPress-Veritone-.pdf

Because of their efforts, VA’s FOIA backlog ratio is 33 times smaller than the federal average, our cases are processed at a fraction of the average cost, and we handle complex cases twice as fast as peer programs

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/michael-sarich_va-foia-veterans-activity-7291497580964818945-LqsT

https://www.nextgov.com/people/2025/01/announcing-2025-federal-100/402639/

2 Dont get it?
Look at pricing chart for deepseek
https://www.brownstoneresearch.com/bleeding-edge/did-the-leaders-in-ai-get-it-all-wrong/
What Ryan said
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ryansteelberg_veritone-ai-veri-activity-7289726176955088897-7nFM

Ryan Steelberg
CEO & President at Veritone, Inc.

In case you were interested... fully-loaded ASR (model and compute) costs less than $.10 / hour in Jan 2025.

3 Zemtra comments of 2 DOD Gov contract looking at mid 8 digit deals in ER
guidance did not include

Keep up the good work Bucky

Yes, agree,

that disaster occurred when they bought Pando without any safeguards. Handed the reins over to Amazon when they bought Pando.

Even if you are right depending on 1 customer or partner can only lead to disaster which we are witnessing right now.

agree 100%, have said several times on this message board that good or bad,

Veritone's success largely depends on AWS.


And if we rely on what Veritone said, Veritone and AWS partnering on scalable cloud architecture for AI/ML. If Alexa ready to go, then perhaps that means Veritone AWS partnership finally ready to go. We will see.

Completely agree with your opinion. I do think the economic runway for Veri is now or never... And if you believe in your thinking then you may agree with Veri being a pawn stuck in it's place until AWS decides to go public and PERHAPS veritone will get a little recognition..

Here is the way I see it.

If you think back to the Chad Steelberg days, there is no way in hell that aiWARE was going to be successful on its own. For aiWARE to be successful, it has to have chip speed, affordable compute costs, cloud storage, tight security, clean rooms, the list goes on. During the Chad days, all of that infrastructure was still in the process of being built out.

Have to think of aiWARE as a set of capabilities, just one of many many capabilities that would go into a fully functioning commercial grade enterprise platform. Now when Chad left, they stopped talking about those capabilities publicly. But they kept on talking to shareholders in earnings calls about those capabilities. Meanwhile, Chad drops out of sight, consulting on aiWARE, apparently getting it ready commercially at the enterprise level. That was back in 2022.

That was also about the time that Amazon began working on a new Alexa. Now I am not saying the two are related. I'm just saying that you have a 2.4 trillion dollar company that is taking well over two years to get Alexa up and running. Amazon has had to deal with the same constraint challenges as aiWARE. Latency, security, hallucinations, chip speed, costs.

So as RS stated in that recent Schwab interview, now the runway has been laid out, paving the way for applications. He also said Veritone was way too early.

So my point is that it appears the market for aiWARE capabilities is just now emerging, and the market for aiWARE capabilities has just not been feasible from a technology standpoint, and a cost standpoint.

Also, as Veritone stated back in 2022, they said they were going to focus and double down on their ecosystem. Anything outside of their ecosystem would be handled through partnerships. So I believe it is very possible that Veritone, back into 2022, struck partnership deals involving aiWARE capabilities. And those partnerships forced Veritone into a period of silence as far as being able to discuss aiWARE capabilities publicly. But nothing is going to happen with aiWARE from a revenue standpoint until the infrastructure is built out.

So we continue to be baffled as to why Veritone does not ever publicly tout their aiWARE capabilities since Chad left. Well it very well could be that it is because partnerships have already been established and they are sworn to secrecy.

I think it was VP Peter Leeb from Veritone that said recently 95% of enterprise AI projects are still in the trial phase.

So that is why I am encourage that Amazon finally going forward with the new Alexa launch. Even if unrelated, the market for aiWARE type capabilities is finally arriving.

And hard for me to believe that for all of time since RS has been CEO they spent beefing up their AWS credentials, signing a 3 year SCA, launching an AWS consulting business, putting 14 offerings on AWS marketplace, that they get nothing in return from AWS.

Hard to understand given the facts. The very successful new BOD members and deals with CAA and others. None of which would sign on with a Co going into the toilet

Could be right, but CS has been gone for over 2 years and still nothing in the way of marketing whatsoever by CTO or CMO. So something lack besides CS hubris.

I have scratched my head over this for years... Knowing Veri has a much better product yet far less respect and far less credibility from analysts etc.
I believe ALL because of Chad and his f'd up hubris

When you think about it it is really sad, almost criminal.

Big Bear AI trading at over 2B market cap

200M in debt

65M in cash

155M revenues.

GRRR, Verses AI, Airship, all higher market caps than Veri, with less revenues than Veri

In today's market, if you are an AI company, doesn't take much to pump your stock and get immediate results with a higher stock price.

But RS must not be aware of this. RS prefers a lower stock price when raising capital. The more shares outstanding, the merrier. lol

When company not excited by their products how can anyone else be excited about their products. CTO Al Brown have should been out their promoting his product. He's the CTO of Aiware. Never ever heard from the guy ever.

Wish I could share your optimism but between all the debt, need for cash and lack of revenues or profitability and more dilution coming just think no matter what this is dead in the water and will at minimum struggle in short and medium terms. Ton of other  better investments out there. Bottom line no one interested in their tech for whatever reason.

So Amazon has

plans to launch the new AI infused Alexa on Feb. 26. Amazon states that on Feb 14, they will decide if the Feb 26 launch date is a Go or No Go.

Pure speculation as usual, but it will be interesting to me to see what the new Alexa all entails. It should include AI voice, transcription, and conversational AI technology which Veritone has but rarely talks about these days. Multi modal capabilities, and would think it will need access and orchestration of domain specific AI models and disparate data sets.

Veritone was claiming disruptive growth for 2024, and expecting a ramp in the 2nd half of 2024. Alexa was expected to launch in the 2nd half of 2024.

Veritone spent all of 2023 supposedly commercializing and hardening aiWARE. Got all their AWS certifications and launched a consulting business based on AWS.

Even if Veritone not part of Alexa plans, guessing it could be possible that once Amazon starts talking about their Alexa capabilities and underlying tech, maybe it frees up Veritone to start talking more about their consulting business based on AWS tech. Maybe also could talk about aiWARE integrations with AWS.

Could also see Veritone Hire capabilities involved as a means for Alexa users to apply for jobs.

Again, all speculation, but sure strange to me to see all the work Veritone has done over the past couple years centered around AWS, only to have nothing but silence from AWS to date.

Your statement captures it all.

In hindsight instead of wasting time and money on labor statistics reports should have been producing reports and analysis on how Aiware saves money on chips and power and storage etc like Deepseek.

Problem for me is, that is blatantly obvious. It's obvious you should be promoting your differentiating capabilities. Just find it hard to believe that they could collectively be that stupid. Are all the executives collectively that stupid. Or is it RS that is stupid and calling the shots. Is RS saying to Maria Moore that we want to pay you for doing nothing?

Only logical explanation I have is that aiWARE is some type of partnership effort. And why have they never brought to the surface that strategic minority investment that supposedly concerns aiWARE.

I'm not saying that their strategy will be successful, but I am saying that I don't believe they are so stupid that they feel that it is best not to talk about your underlying technology and differentiating capabilities. That is asinine to me, and believe there has to be an underlying reason. Well, the response to this could be that the tech sucks, and that is why they don't talk about it. Well, if it sucks then why continue to pursue it. Why not just scrap aiWARE and stop saying everything runs on aiWARE. Just say everything runs on AWS.

IMO every aspect of management failed from CEO to CFO to CTO to CMO. All failures.

Going thru their 10th reorganization. I guess still sitting back and reflecting on all their accomplishments.

In hindsight instead of wasting time and money on labor statistics reports should have been producing reports and analysis on how Aiware saves money on chips and power and storage etc like Deepseek.

The mystery for me is

what happened to AWS? Veritone GTM strategy was largely via AWS. I believe this is why they were referring to disruptive growth back in late 2023 and early 2024.

Hired marketing executives specifically to work with AWS and AWS partners. Now they are gone.

Announced 3 year SCA with AWS back in August. Have heard nothing since. Supposedly have integration with Bedrock, but hear nothing. Ask Veri, nothing.

But lets say that something bad happened again with AWS, and caused everything to grind to a halt. You still have to pick up the pieces and move on. But nothing but silence from this company. Yet still hiring.

I see no catalysts for them to overcome cash, debt, operating losses and revenues. Haven't produced any partnerships, tech or contracts in years. Meanwhile every ai company on planet has passed them by. Their silence speaks volumes

Think Veri done. Only hope is AiSolution group

But appears that yesterdays

NFL blog post only talks about AWS providing generative AI capabilities.

However todays post looks like they are providing information on how to go about intelligent search using AWS tools. Basically bypassing Veritone or DMH.

AWS more competitor than partner imo. Why does RS keep rallying around AWS.

Also, the guy that was with the NFL presenting their new intelligent search capabilities with AWS at AWS Re:invent is Eric Peters. He and RS are connected on Linkedin.

Looks like right after AWS reinvent, Eric Peters left the NFL and now is with AWS. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericaaronpeters/

Looks to me like

the marketing strategy planned in early 2024 on gtm with AWS did not materialize.

Here's a post by AWS today on semantic search of media archives. So much for DMH 2.0

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7292965835977990146/

and yesterday they had another blog post on NFL search capabilities.

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/media/how-the-nfl-uses-generative-ai-from-aws-to-streamline-media-asset-search/

Don't understand destiny how people let go yet have 18 job openings that never seem to get filled according to website

I'm sure she is looking

Not sure

why Maria Moore is hanging around.

Another one gone.

Hired as part of Veritone's early 2024 go to market plans with AWS .

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/patrickellement_newadventures-bridgepartners-partnerships-activity-7292937902165028864-UsRR?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAACrO_P0BUXTeWbYzhRP4fL4GBUv5pVrDjxI