Fidelis Energy Inc (EM) (FDEI)

Something is definitely happening here. Time will tell what it is but I’m guessing a custodianship play is coming.

This may be starting to wake up. Custodian play?

Strange that this popped to .01 on Thursday but now back down, is someone loading this? Could it be a custodian takeover?

FDEI SEC Suspension:

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/2015/34-74398.pdf

Order:

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/2015/34-74398-o.pdf

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Why is this still allowed to trade?

YEAH, THIS IS A NON EX COMPANY! BALE SAVE A FEW PENNEY'S GLTY.

Something is cooking!!!

From OTC website.
Investors are advised that OTC Markets Group has been unable to contact or confirm the location of this company. If you have current contact information, please complete the Update Company Information Form or send an email to info@otcmarkets.com.

Any update on the OTCQX status?

here is the info you requested. Everything you need is here, and looks like the company is already under investigation. You can thank nodummy for the info.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58047890

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58122007

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=59683322

My trace ended with the last 2 8k's. None of the numbers worked for me either. If there was any value left in FDEI it belonged to the shareholders but it seems they ran off with everything but the tissue paper err, shares of stock.

Thanks for the info...I will check it out...learned my lesson from FDEI...that's where the "skepticone" came from...I too have shares in FDEI ($ 2,100 +) and have long considered it lost. Now I am just trying to keep others from losing their money on this fraud.

Good work skepticone, you are a "DD" master. Why the SEC hasn't removed FDEI from trading is beyond me. I have shares but I guess they will be worthless at this point. Thank you for the info. If you are looking for real action KMAG is buzzing like crazy and here's why:

RE: KMAG ~~~ Message From KMAG CEO 3-23-12 !!!

""I will be travelling to New York on Monday to meet with the lawyer and get the company back up to date with filings and registrations""

""I feel that we will be complete before month end in all aspects.""

""Nevada licensing is done online so that will be easy and posting the legal opinion with Q3 and YE will only take the day as all accounting is complete""

""Have a god day and will update next week to all shareholders""

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=73649056

GLTU - SShooter Out.

Just got off the phone with OTCQX...FDEI is "not even close to meeting the requirements" is what I was told. They have listed them as negatively as they possibly can. They are unable to contact them. He gave me the SEC local branch that should have jurisdiction over FDEI since they are inc'd in LV He said we may have better luck reporting to them.

Tried calling OTCQX but I think it was after hours. Going to try again, see if they know anything about FDEI attempting to meet their requirements

I think you and I are the only ones even looking at this board
Have you been able to find anything else about this company. I've tried calling some of the numbers associated but they are not in service or you get some other place.

Not sure, the moderators seem to have all quit. Never saw that happen before.......

I'm not familiar with this board's rules...is there a way to exchange e-mails or a way I can contact you so that I/we can compare info so that I can compile all of it in some type of order to that I can continue investigating and present it to whoever will listen?

I did.... Lot of good it did...

I believe someone has to file a complaint against them before they will investigate. No one seems to want to do that. I am not experienced enough to gather my finding into a concise presentable format. I also want to make sure I have all the facts first. That is the hard part. Everything leads to dead ends and those that I speak with are not interesed enough to help persue this.

I tried to file a complaint with them last year. You have to go to the web site and fill out all kinds of stuff on a form( which I did),then submit the form.When I submitted it, I don't know if it went through or not because the site page did not respond and I could not submit again. I also spoke to someone at the OTC, shortly after that is when the warning was posted about the stock and skull and cross bones thing shows up. Don't know if I had anything to do with that. I just know I have been sitting on 48,000 shares and a $ 2,157.00 loss for a loooooooooong time.

If the SEC did it's job this would have been dealt with long ago..

I invested money in FDEI years ago when they were a gas and oil energy company.They had a website that looks almost exactly as the current one does, except it was www.fidelis energy.com...I had subscribed to the on line news letter. They used to send e-mail updates(looking back it was probably BS), they stopped updating. I called the contact # and left messages,with no return calls. Then one day I came home to find a message that I should call them concerning important investor information. I tried calling back and left messages until the # was disconnected. Shortly after that the old website was gone and so was all "news" about the company. Some time later they re-appeared and the "press releases" start up again. Still with no verifiable info.Then it goes dead again until the most recent PR Pump just before X-mas 2011. (Must have needed money for X-mas shopping). Nothing since then. They had mentioned the same sort of thing years ago about trying to get compliant with OTC and NASDAQ. All BS IMO.

In your posts #871 and 872 there were links to Matternetwork,South African Alternative Energy Association,and Alternative Energy of Africa. All of them have published statement that were submitted to them by "someone from the company". These sites DO NOT verify the information in the article or the people who gave the the info to publish. There are dozens of sites that have published the same exact "press releases or company statements". I have contacted several and they are the ones who told me that they do not verify anything they just publish what is given to them.(For a fee I'm sure). I have made them aware that I have tried to find the projects it is working on and the companies FDEI claims it is working with and cannnot find one shread of evidence that any of them exist. Matternetwork is one of those that I spoke to. I even spoke to someone from the South African Stock Exchange about TinSol Energy (TSEL). They never heard of the company or that ticker symbol.Also looked into the Spanish companies listed and the company that supposedly financed the "final trache". Any guess to what I found? EXACTLY...NOTHING.

Same here, their last PR stated they were trying to get on a new exchange but haven't seen any action since.

I have been trying to research this company for years...all roads lead to dead ends...I do not believe anything this company releases to anyone. Not one claim they make is verifiable and it is impossible to contact anyone from the company or any of the associated companies it is allegedly doing business with.

Anybody hear anything about the FDEI hearings to get back on the OTCQB exchange?

Morningstar® Document Research?
FORM 8-K
FIDELIS ENERGY INC - FDEI
Filed: December 14, 2011 (period: December 07, 2011)
Report of unscheduled material events or corporate changes.
UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): December 7, 2011
FIDELIS ENERGY, INC.
(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in Charter)
Nevada 0000-33499 16-1599721
(State or other jurisdiction of (Commission File Number) (IRS Employee Identification No.)
incorporation or organization)
6399 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 507
Los Angeles, CA 90048
(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)
Registrant’s telephone number, including area code: (213) 457-3385
9107 Wilshire Blvd.
Suite 355
Beverly Hills, CA 90210
(Former name or former address, if changed since last report.)
Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the filing obligation of the registrant
under any of the following provisions (see General Instruction A.2. below):
?? Written communications pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act (17 CFR 230.425)
?? Soliciting material pursuant to Rule 14a-12 under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14a -12)
?? Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 14d-2(b) under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14d -2(b))
?? Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 13e-4© under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.13e -4©)
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Item 8.01 Other Events
Fidelis Energy Inc. (the “Company) recently moved its corporate offices to the following location:
6399 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 507
Los Angeles, CA
Tel: (213) 457-3385
SIGNATURES
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its
behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
FIDELIS ENERGY, INC.
Date: December 7, 2011 By: / s/ James Poole
James Poole
President, Chief Executive Officer and Director
_____________________________________
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FORM 8-K/A
FIDELIS ENERGY INC - FDEI
Filed: December 16, 2011 (period: December 15, 2011)
Amendment to a previously filed 8-K
UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K/A
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): December 15, 2011
FIDELIS ENERGY, INC.
(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in Charter)
Nevada 0000-33499 16-1599721
(State or other jurisdiction of (Commission File Number) (IRS Employee Identification No.)
incorporation or organization)
9595 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)
Registrant’s telephone number, including area code: (213) 457-3385
9107 Wilshire Blvd.
Suite 355
Beverly Hills, CA 90210
(Former name or former address, if changed since last report.)
Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the filing obligation of the registrant
under any of the following provisions (see General Instruction A.2. below):
?? Written communications pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act (17 CFR 230.425)
?? Soliciting material pursuant to Rule 14a-12 under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14a -12)
?? Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 14d-2(b) under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14d -2(b))
?? Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 13e-4© under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.13e -4©)
Source: FIDELIS ENERGY INC, 8-K/A, December 16, 2011 Powered by Morningstar® Document Research?
Fidelis Energy Inc. (the “Company) hereby amends its Current Report filed on Form 8-K dated December 7, 2011, as follows:
Item 8.01 Other Events
The Company’s current corporate offices are located at:
9595 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 900,
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Tel: (213) 457-3385
SIGNATURES
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its
behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
FIDELIS ENERGY, INC.
Date: December 15, 2011 By: / s/ James Poole
James Poole
President, Chief Executive Officer and Director
_____________________________________
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FDEI - FORM 8-K/A FILED 12/16/2011........

Amendment to a previously filed 8-K New Company corporate Addresses.

http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/images/qm_ie.gif

http://www.fidelissolar.com/projects.html

http://ae-africa.com/read_article.php?NID=3533

FDEI - FORM 8-K FILED 12/14/2011........

Fidelis Energy Inc. (the “Company) recently moved its corporate offices....

http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/images/qm_ie.gif

http://www.matternetwork.com/2010/3/fidelis-signs-207mw-supply-agreement.cfm

http://saaea.blogspot.com/2010/11/tinsol-energy-south-africa-receives.html

http://saaea.blogspot.com/p/about-us.html

This board is 100% negative on FDEI, Why hasn't the SEC looked into what FDEI managers are doing or not doing?

Fidelis Signs Additional $77 Million Contract to Supply 42MW Capacity Solar Modules (If that's A phony PR then where's Waldo?)

FDEI

I called newswire... That is the company that publishes the "press releases" from FDEI. I asked how they verify the information that is in the release. The reply was that they are not responsible for the information given to them by a company. I then asked,"What if the supposed company does not exist and is suspected to be a fraud, how can the info in the press release that they got paid to release, by verified?" "Are they not complicit in dissseminating false information?" The tone of the discussion changed and I was told that they would have their management call me.
How can these individuals behind FDEI continue this hoax with the help of all these so called NEWS AND INFORMATION companies without the SEC doing a thing about it. pv magazine.com is a website that is supposed to be an informed source of information on the photovoltaic market and technology but publish these same non-sense press releases as facts. Makes you wonder about all the other companies you read about in their articles or any of the other NEWS and INFO sites.
All I ask is that they either verify the info given to them or be responsible enough to report and expose the fraudelant companies that come to them with their fake "press releases".

If this is a fraud company for this long why can't someone find them and stop them already? All I see is a 50+ page complaint. Who do you need to talk to to get something done?

Fidelis Energy Announces Final Tranche of $30 Million Financing From Empres Voss Capital Marketwire

Knew this was coming, good or bad?

In structured finance, a tranche (often misspelled as traunch or traunche) is one of a number of related securities offered as part of the same transaction. The word tranche is French for slice, section, series, or portion, and is cognate to English trench ('ditch'). In the financial sense of the word, each bond is a different slice of the deal's risk. Transaction documentation (see indenture) usually defines the tranches as different "classes" of notes, each identified by letter (e.g. the Class A, Class B, Class C securities) with different bond credit ratings (ratings).

The term "tranche" is used in fields of finance other than structured finance (such as in straight lending, where "multi-tranche loans" are commonplace), but the term's use in structured finance may be singled out as particularly important. Use of "tranche" as a verb is limited almost exclusively to this field.

In other fields, notably aviation, the noun tranche is used to denote a block of units sharing a common standard. The Eurofighter Typhoon which is used by a number of European air forces, was built to a number of successive tranches.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fidelis-energy-announces-final-tranche-of-30-million-financing-from-empres-voss-capital-2011-12-22?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

Get behind the bull,not in front of it.

I guess 32 people believe TinSol exists.

Is she.......Is she.......Dead?

It has happened to me a ton of times also. I have learned to trade stocks like this not marry them. I only marry a good promo stock for awhile where you have massive volume and dollars going in on really good legit news penny stocks until they begin to dilute. There were some great trades made in the last week here. If you bought on the huge dip and sold today some made over 200%.

What do you say to the bagholders who got sucked in on the pump ? God bless?

All of these pennies are scams but for those who play them right on news you can make alot of money. Congrats to those who did.

I tried finding a trace of them on the internet. The only pages that came up were pages that talked about the recent prs. Seems sketchy at best.

LOL ! Does TinSol energy even exist ? Total scam

FDEI- HUGE NEWS! Fidelis Signs Additional $77 Million Contract to Supply 42MW Capacity Solar Modules
Date : 12/19/2011 @ 8:00AM
Source : MarketWire
Stock : Fidelis Energy Inc. (FDEI)
Quote : 0.0016 0.0 (0.00%) @ 7:46AM

Fidelis Signs Additional $77 Million Contract to Supply 42MW Capacity Solar Modules
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Alert
Fidelis Energy (PN CE) (USOTC:FDEI)
Intraday Stock Chart
Today : Monday 19 December 2011


Fidelis Energy Inc. (PINKSHEETS: FDEI) announced today that it has entered into a long-term solar module supply agreement with Lagofrio Energy Solutions (LES), a wholly-owned subsidiary of TinSol Energy (pty) Ltd. (TSEL), Johannesburg, South Africa. Under the terms of the contract, Fidelis Energy will supply 42 megawatts (MW) of PV Solar modules to TSEL for installation in the development and build-out of numerous solar park locations across the African continent. Fidelis has completed shipments of 76 megawatts (MW) of solar modules to date, leaving a balance of 131 megawatts (MW) yet to complete in TSEL's long-term supply agreement of 207 megawatts (MW) of PV Solar modules for a total product value of $475 million.
The Company expects to begin shipments against this new contract during the second quarter of 2012. The solar modules will ship from the Fidelis manufacturing facility in southern China.

Mr. Wes L. Volker, Managing Director of TSEL, commented: "We are extremely satisfied that we have selected Fidelis as our partner to supply our large solar projects in Africa, they have diligently delivered above and beyond of our expectations. This fourth contract is another step toward a long and prosperous relationship with Fidelis and their partners as we develop and expand our solar energy operations in Africa."

Over the past year, Fidelis management has spent significant time overseas procuring its solar sector business relationships and building the necessary foundation for future expansion. The Company has also been focused on the development of its production facilities and general operations abroad.

Shareholders and anyone interested in monitoring the progress of the company are encouraged to subscribe to the electronic mailing list at www.fidelissolar.com.

About Fidelis Energy Inc.

Fidelis Energy Inc. ("FDEI") is an energy company focused on developing, constructing and operating solar energy projects exclusively or in partnership with other energy companies. Fidelis has designed and is developing solar photovoltaic (PV) cell technology products for manufacture and distribution worldwide. Fidelis owns a unique patent pending solar cell technology based on photovoltaic cells with integral light-transmitting wave guides in a ceramic sleeve. The advantage of this technology is the efficiency of less exposed surface area being required to generate electricity. The light-transmitting particles act as wave guides and allow the sun-exposed conversion area of the solar cell to be shifted readily from horizontal to vertical to capture more sunlight. The ceramic sleeve eliminates the need for expensive vacuum chambers, thereby allowing less expensive materials to be used in solar cell production.

The Company is developing, manufacturing, and marketing innovative solar cells and solar power products for a wide range of applications based on our technology that increases light-trapping while enabling a variety of materials to be used. Our technology employs multiple stacked solar cells in a ceramic sleeve that uses nano-particles and crystal wave guides to carry light from the opening down to the last junction in the solar cell. Competitors' processes that use vacuum chambers (instead of a ceramic sleeve) generally don't allow for material substitution because of contamination issues. We believe our technology will also allow manufacturers to quickly and economically shift to new materials if a shortage of any one type of material occurs. In general, our technology will offer a flexible, cost-effective solution for increased light trapping and will provide increased efficiency.

Forward-Looking Statements

This news release contains "forward-looking statements," as that term is defined in Section 27A of the Act and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Statements in this press release, which are not purely historical, are forward-looking statements and include any statements regarding beliefs, plans, expectations, or intentions regarding the future.

Actual results could differ from those projected in any forward-looking statements due to numerous factors. Such factors include, among others, the inherent uncertainties associated with the development of an early stage company in the alternative energy industry, its products, and the entry into new markets for such products. These forward-looking statements are made as of the date of this news release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements, or to update the reasons why actual results could differ from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Although the Company believes that the beliefs, plans, expectations, and intentions contained in this press release are reasonable, there can be no assurance those beliefs, plans, expectations or intentions will prove to be accurate. Investors should consider all of the information set forth herein and should also refer to the risk factors disclosed in the Company's current and periodic reports filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Fidelis Energy Inc.

Investor Relations

(213) 457-3385

Email: Email Contact

THATS GONNA BE REMOVED SOON...THIS IS GOING TO EXPLODE BACK TO PENNIES IMHO!!!

What gives?

OTC Markets has discontinued the display of quotes on www.otcmarkets.com for this security because it has been labeled Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware) and because adequate current information has not been made available by the issuer of the securities. It has been labeled Caveat Emptor for one of the following reasons:

FDEI--> HUGE NEWS OUT!!! GONNA ROCK TODAY!!


Fidelis Signs Additional $77 Million Contract to Supply 42MW Capacity Solar Modules
Date : 12/19/2011 @ 8:00AM
Source : MarketWire
Stock : Fidelis Energy Inc. (FDEI)
Quote : 0.0016 0.0 (0.00%) @ 7:46AM

Fidelis Signs Additional $77 Million Contract to Supply 42MW Capacity Solar Modules
Print
Alert
Fidelis Energy (PN CE) (USOTC:FDEI)
Intraday Stock Chart
Today : Monday 19 December 2011


Fidelis Energy Inc. (PINKSHEETS: FDEI) announced today that it has entered into a long-term solar module supply agreement with Lagofrio Energy Solutions (LES), a wholly-owned subsidiary of TinSol Energy (pty) Ltd. (TSEL), Johannesburg, South Africa. Under the terms of the contract, Fidelis Energy will supply 42 megawatts (MW) of PV Solar modules to TSEL for installation in the development and build-out of numerous solar park locations across the African continent. Fidelis has completed shipments of 76 megawatts (MW) of solar modules to date, leaving a balance of 131 megawatts (MW) yet to complete in TSEL's long-term supply agreement of 207 megawatts (MW) of PV Solar modules for a total product value of $475 million.
The Company expects to begin shipments against this new contract during the second quarter of 2012. The solar modules will ship from the Fidelis manufacturing facility in southern China.

Mr. Wes L. Volker, Managing Director of TSEL, commented: "We are extremely satisfied that we have selected Fidelis as our partner to supply our large solar projects in Africa, they have diligently delivered above and beyond of our expectations. This fourth contract is another step toward a long and prosperous relationship with Fidelis and their partners as we develop and expand our solar energy operations in Africa."

Over the past year, Fidelis management has spent significant time overseas procuring its solar sector business relationships and building the necessary foundation for future expansion. The Company has also been focused on the development of its production facilities and general operations abroad.

Shareholders and anyone interested in monitoring the progress of the company are encouraged to subscribe to the electronic mailing list at www.fidelissolar.com.

About Fidelis Energy Inc.

Fidelis Energy Inc. ("FDEI") is an energy company focused on developing, constructing and operating solar energy projects exclusively or in partnership with other energy companies. Fidelis has designed and is developing solar photovoltaic (PV) cell technology products for manufacture and distribution worldwide. Fidelis owns a unique patent pending solar cell technology based on photovoltaic cells with integral light-transmitting wave guides in a ceramic sleeve. The advantage of this technology is the efficiency of less exposed surface area being required to generate electricity. The light-transmitting particles act as wave guides and allow the sun-exposed conversion area of the solar cell to be shifted readily from horizontal to vertical to capture more sunlight. The ceramic sleeve eliminates the need for expensive vacuum chambers, thereby allowing less expensive materials to be used in solar cell production.

The Company is developing, manufacturing, and marketing innovative solar cells and solar power products for a wide range of applications based on our technology that increases light-trapping while enabling a variety of materials to be used. Our technology employs multiple stacked solar cells in a ceramic sleeve that uses nano-particles and crystal wave guides to carry light from the opening down to the last junction in the solar cell. Competitors' processes that use vacuum chambers (instead of a ceramic sleeve) generally don't allow for material substitution because of contamination issues. We believe our technology will also allow manufacturers to quickly and economically shift to new materials if a shortage of any one type of material occurs. In general, our technology will offer a flexible, cost-effective solution for increased light trapping and will provide increased efficiency.

Forward-Looking Statements

This news release contains "forward-looking statements," as that term is defined in Section 27A of the Act and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Statements in this press release, which are not purely historical, are forward-looking statements and include any statements regarding beliefs, plans, expectations, or intentions regarding the future.

Actual results could differ from those projected in any forward-looking statements due to numerous factors. Such factors include, among others, the inherent uncertainties associated with the development of an early stage company in the alternative energy industry, its products, and the entry into new markets for such products. These forward-looking statements are made as of the date of this news release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements, or to update the reasons why actual results could differ from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Although the Company believes that the beliefs, plans, expectations, and intentions contained in this press release are reasonable, there can be no assurance those beliefs, plans, expectations or intentions will prove to be accurate. Investors should consider all of the information set forth herein and should also refer to the risk factors disclosed in the Company's current and periodic reports filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Fidelis Energy Inc.

Investor Relations

(213) 457-3385

Email: Email Contact

GONNA ROCK THIS WEEK!!! MORE NEWS WOULD BE NICE!!

LOOKIN FOR A SOLID BOUNCE HERE...PLAY THE CHARTS AND THE MOMO...YOU NEVER KNOW IN PINKYLAND...LOADED UP FRIDAYS CHEAPIES...HELD UP PRETTY WELL AFTER THE INITIAL SELL OFF...LOOKS LIKE THIS COULD HAVE LEGS...LETS HOPE!!

Nope, I dont think they cleaned up anything, and its obvious that investors did NOT believe the NEW$

for obvious reasons stated in my previous posts
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=69998709

It's beyond a POS..it's a complete fraud.

It shouldn't even be allowed to trade as far a I'm concerned...